Subject: Four Winds Casino Trip Report - Automated Poker Tables
This past Saturday I decided to make the trip out to Four Winds Casino
located in New Buffalo, Michigan. It is about a two hour drive from my
house and past several other poker rooms that I normally play. I decided
to make the extra drive to check out the automated PokePro poker tables.
I arrived at the casino, signed up for a players card and headed to the
poker room. The staff working the poker room was very friendly and took
the time to explain how to use the PokerPro tables and deposit cash on the
players card. To sign up for a game, they have a touch screen monitor the
players use to register for any of the games being offered. On Saturday
evening they had six .50/1.00 100 max, three 1.00/2.00 and two 5.00/10.00
NL tables going. They were also offering a $100 SNG but only a few people
had signed up for it. I chose the .50/1.00 table as that was the only
table that had immediate seating.
I arrive at my table and there are 9 other players. The big stack has
$390 and the short stack has $50. Most of the players at the table had
between $80 & $120. The first hour I am card dead and play very few
hands. The only hands I am involved in are with the big stack who is
betting between $25 & $50 after each flop into $6 pots. I think I folded
two or three hands where I had TPTK but did not want to risk $50 against
the big stack. During thee second hour, I had a great run of cards
including two flopped ace high flushes and several sets. The big stack at
the table continued to build his stack to $460 but quickly gave it back to
everyone at the table during my 2nd and 3rd hour at the table. Once he
busted and left the table the other players were commenting how lucky he
was before I arrived by pushing all in preflop with 72 and 96, both times
flopping a full house against KK & AA.
I ended up playing for about 6 hours, finished up $200. Not once during
the time I was playing did someone re-raise preflop. There was a player
who twice had pocket aces who only called a preflop raise. The players
were mostly tourists and a couple in their early 20's. We also had the
early 20's player with the sunglasses and pull over with hood. He was the
table captain, resident expert, wannabe poker pro. He frequently made
sure to show everyone a wad of $100 bills to remind everyone that despite
being down several hundred dollars, he would reload his card and win back
everything he had lost against us donkeys. Fortunately/Unfortunately for
him, his girlfriend pulled him from the table to go dancing..LOL.
I have seen a lot of people on RGP complain about the automated PokerPro
tables. I really enjoyed the tables. To view the cards, I just had to
put my hand on the table on top of my face down cards and the table would
sense the heat from my hands and turn the cards over. Rake was only $3,
no tipping and we played twice as many hands per hour. Nor was it very
difficult to get a read on a player.. Maybe it had more to do with it
being a low limit table. The only thing I missed was playing with the
poker chips. I could not figure out what to do with my hands when I was
not playing a hand.
Overall, it was a great experience and I am looking forward to playing
there again. It will not be a regular drive and I will book a hotel room
the next time I am there in mid July. Also, the poker room staff was
outstanding. They had four people working, who were all in a great mood
and extremely friendly and very helpful. This probably impressed me the
most about the poker room.
Scott
Subject: Re: Four Winds Casino Trip Report - Automated Poker Tables
On Jun 17 2008 3:07 PM, Scott/sjakma wrote:
> This past Saturday I decided to make the trip out to Four Winds Casino
> located in New Buffalo, Michigan. It is about a two hour drive from my
> house and past several other poker rooms that I normally play. I decided
> to make the extra drive to check out the automated PokePro poker tables.
>
> I arrived at the casino, signed up for a players card and headed to the
> poker room. The staff working the poker room was very friendly and took
> the time to explain how to use the PokerPro tables and deposit cash on the
> players card. To sign up for a game, they have a touch screen monitor the
> players use to register for any of the games being offered. On Saturday
> evening they had six .50/1.00 100 max, three 1.00/2.00 and two 5.00/10.00
> NL tables going. They were also offering a $100 SNG but only a few people
> had signed up for it. I chose the .50/1.00 table as that was the only
> table that had immediate seating.
>
> I arrive at my table and there are 9 other players. The big stack has
> $390 and the short stack has $50. Most of the players at the table had
> between $80 & $120. The first hour I am card dead and play very few
> hands. The only hands I am involved in are with the big stack who is
> betting between $25 & $50 after each flop into $6 pots. I think I folded
> two or three hands where I had TPTK but did not want to risk $50 against
> the big stack. During thee second hour, I had a great run of cards
> including two flopped ace high flushes and several sets. The big stack at
> the table continued to build his stack to $460 but quickly gave it back to
> everyone at the table during my 2nd and 3rd hour at the table. Once he
> busted and left the table the other players were commenting how lucky he
> was before I arrived by pushing all in preflop with 72 and 96, both times
> flopping a full house against KK & AA.
>
> I ended up playing for about 6 hours, finished up $200. Not once during
> the time I was playing did someone re-raise preflop. There was a player
> who twice had pocket aces who only called a preflop raise. The players
> were mostly tourists and a couple in their early 20's. We also had the
> early 20's player with the sunglasses and pull over with hood. He was the
> table captain, resident expert, wannabe poker pro. He frequently made
> sure to show everyone a wad of $100 bills to remind everyone that despite
> being down several hundred dollars, he would reload his card and win back
> everything he had lost against us donkeys. Fortunately/Unfortunately for
> him, his girlfriend pulled him from the table to go dancing..LOL.
>
> I have seen a lot of people on RGP complain about the automated PokerPro
> tables. I really enjoyed the tables. To view the cards, I just had to
> put my hand on the table on top of my face down cards and the table would
> sense the heat from my hands and turn the cards over. Rake was only $3,
> no tipping and we played twice as many hands per hour. Nor was it very
> difficult to get a read on a player.. Maybe it had more to do with it
> being a low limit table. The only thing I missed was playing with the
> poker chips. I could not figure out what to do with my hands when I was
> not playing a hand.
>
> Overall, it was a great experience and I am looking forward to playing
> there again. It will not be a regular drive and I will book a hotel room
> the next time I am there in mid July. Also, the poker room staff was
> outstanding. They had four people working, who were all in a great mood
> and extremely friendly and very helpful. This probably impressed me the
> most about the poker room.
>
> Scott
I forgot to mention that they do offer Omaha if there are enough players
interested. On Saturday, I was the only person on the list. The staff
mentioned that they usually get a game going during midweek but hardly
ever on the weekends.
Subject: Re: Four Winds Casino Trip Report - Automated Poker Tables
> Overall, it was a great experience and I am looking forward to playing
> there again. It will not be a regular drive and I will book a hotel room
> the next time I am there in mid July. Also, the poker room staff was
> outstanding. They had four people working, who were all in a great mood
> and extremely friendly and very helpful. This probably impressed me the
> most about the poker room.
>
> Scott
They used to have them at Greektown and Motorcity. You never played them
there? Anyway, did they have regular tables or just the automated?
Never mind about 2 minutes of looking I found my answer.
http://www.fourwindscasino.com/casino/poker.asp
A hearty Stanley Cup Champions
BOOM byae
John
From: chandler <a5a7a9b@webnntp.invalid>
Subject: Re: Four Winds Casino Trip Report - Automated Poker Tables
On Jun 17 2008 3:14 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> > Overall, it was a great experience and I am looking forward to playing
> > there again. It will not be a regular drive and I will book a hotel room
> > the next time I am there in mid July. Also, the poker room staff was
> > outstanding. They had four people working, who were all in a great mood
> > and extremely friendly and very helpful. This probably impressed me the
> > most about the poker room.
> >
> > Scott
>
> They used to have them at Greektown and Motorcity. You never played them
> there? Anyway, did they have regular tables or just the automated?
>
> Never mind about 2 minutes of looking I found my answer.
>
> http://www.fourwindscasino.com/casino/poker.asp
>
> A hearty Stanley Cup Champions
> BOOM byae
> John
Right, all automated tables. I thought those tables at Four Winds could
work for me also, but it still felt a little akward after about an hour.
They do let you practice at the little heads up tables. I wandered back
down the road to Blue Chip, where I was staying and noticed a reduced time
charge, so at the very least the competition from Four Winds is good.
Chandler
Subject: Re: Four Winds Casino Trip Report - Automated Poker Tables
On Jun 17 2008 3:43 PM, chandler wrote:
> On Jun 17 2008 3:14 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
>
> > > Overall, it was a great experience and I am looking forward to playing
> > > there again. It will not be a regular drive and I will book a hotel room
> > > the next time I am there in mid July. Also, the poker room staff was
> > > outstanding. They had four people working, who were all in a great mood
> > > and extremely friendly and very helpful. This probably impressed me the
> > > most about the poker room.
> > >
> > > Scott
> >
> > They used to have them at Greektown and Motorcity. You never played them
> > there? Anyway, did they have regular tables or just the automated?
> >
> > Never mind about 2 minutes of looking I found my answer.
> >
> > http://www.fourwindscasino.com/casino/poker.asp
> >
> > A hearty Stanley Cup Champions
> > BOOM byae
> > John
>
> Right, all automated tables. I thought those tables at Four Winds could
> work for me also, but it still felt a little akward after about an hour.
> They do let you practice at the little heads up tables. I wandered back
> down the road to Blue Chip, where I was staying and noticed a reduced time
> charge, so at the very least the competition from Four Winds is good.
>
> Chandler
When was the last time you were at Blue Chip? I was there a few weeks ago
on a Saturday and they only had two tables going. I had to turn around
and go back to Majestic Star. I had read somewhere that Blue Chip casino
has been hurting ever since Four Winds opened up.
From: chandler <a5a7a9b@webnntp.invalid>
Subject: Re: Four Winds Casino Trip Report - Automated Poker Tables
On Jun 17 2008 3:48 PM, Scott/sjakma wrote:
> On Jun 17 2008 3:43 PM, chandler wrote:
>
> > On Jun 17 2008 3:14 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> >
> > > > Overall, it was a great experience and I am looking forward to playing
> > > > there again. It will not be a regular drive and I will book a hotel
room
> > > > the next time I am there in mid July. Also, the poker room staff was
> > > > outstanding. They had four people working, who were all in a great
mood
> > > > and extremely friendly and very helpful. This probably impressed me
the
> > > > most about the poker room.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > >
> > > They used to have them at Greektown and Motorcity. You never played them
> > > there? Anyway, did they have regular tables or just the automated?
> > >
> > > Never mind about 2 minutes of looking I found my answer.
> > >
> > > http://www.fourwindscasino.com/casino/poker.asp
> > >
> > > A hearty Stanley Cup Champions
> > > BOOM byae
> > > John
> >
> > Right, all automated tables. I thought those tables at Four Winds could
> > work for me also, but it still felt a little akward after about an hour.
> > They do let you practice at the little heads up tables. I wandered back
> > down the road to Blue Chip, where I was staying and noticed a reduced time
> > charge, so at the very least the competition from Four Winds is good.
> >
> > Chandler
>
> When was the last time you were at Blue Chip? I was there a few weeks ago
> on a Saturday and they only had two tables going. I had to turn around
> and go back to Majestic Star. I had read somewhere that Blue Chip casino
> has been hurting ever since Four Winds opened up.
I hardly ever get out to NW Indiana anymore, so your experience is
definitely more recent. I was freezing my nuts off... January sounds
right. At that time the BC business was noticeably affected by Four
Winds, though the poker room was still fairly active. I think they had 3
tables running when I left Four Winds early on Saturday and three or four
tables running when I got to BC. At one time I was a regular at Majestic,
but not for poker. The MS poker room has, it seems to me, always been way
more active than BC. It will be interesting to see the Shoe's new casino
space... as I recall opening up this summer?
Chandler
Subject: Re: Four Winds Casino Trip Report - Automated Poker Tables
On Jun 17, 12:07 pm, "Scott/sjakma"<sc...@scottadams.com> wrote:
" Rake was only $3,
no tipping and we played twice as many hands per hour. "
Sounds good to me.
Subject: Re: Four Winds Casino Trip Report - Automated Poker Tables
On Jun 17 2008 2:50 PM, BeaForoni wrote:
> On Jun 17, 12:07 pm, "Scott/sjakma"<sc...@scottadams.com> wrote:
>
>
> " Rake was only $3,
> no tipping and we played twice as many hands per hour. "
>
> Sounds good to me.
Not that you're biased or anything....